PET keys?
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Re: PET keys?
Hard to tell for sure from that picture, but it appears to be a 'PET keys' model. What's the serial #? Does it work?
I have one of these too, here's a pic for comparison.
I have one of these too, here's a pic for comparison.
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Re: PET keys?
hmmm...looks like first-gen Vic for North America. Mine as a kid had that same gold vic label, not sure about the keys though.
This is me...don't laugh, but I can't zoom in and enhance the vic keyboard in this image, but they do kinda look bigger.
This is me...don't laugh, but I can't zoom in and enhance the vic keyboard in this image, but they do kinda look bigger.
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Re: PET keys?
We were cool computer guys back then, weren't we?
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Re: PET keys?
Awe yeah, you know it! hehe
Re: PET keys?
Well, I finally got it and it is certainly a PET keyboard. Strange thing is that it was made in Japan. Its label is silver not golden.
Power supply is 9V AC and with a waiver on the radio emission. So my guess its an early machine since they had problems with the FCC requirements. But I though they were not allowed to sell them before they got an FCC license?
Edit: I found a similar one here: http://www.vic20.de/html/vic20_usa_1.html
Haven´t opened up mine yet (it will need to wait until I get back to Norway from the US).
Power supply is 9V AC and with a waiver on the radio emission. So my guess its an early machine since they had problems with the FCC requirements. But I though they were not allowed to sell them before they got an FCC license?
Edit: I found a similar one here: http://www.vic20.de/html/vic20_usa_1.html
Haven´t opened up mine yet (it will need to wait until I get back to Norway from the US).
Re: PET keys?
I also found this from tech-insider.org:
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Commodore Intl Gets FCC Okay to Manufacture New Computer
Dow Jones News Service
August 5, 1981
NY - IRVING GOULD CHAIRMAN OF COMMODORE INTERNATIONAL LTD SAID COMMODORE HAD BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE FCC THAT ITS VIC-20 PERSONAL COMPUTER MEETS THE RADIATION EMISSION REQUIREMENTS OF PART 15 OF THE FCC RULE FOR CLASS B PERSONAL COMPUTERS AND IS NOW CERTIFIED.
ACCORDING TO GOULD 'THIS FCC CERTIFICATION MEANS THAT THE VIC-20 IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR MANUFACTURE AND SALE IN THE U.S. WHERE PREVIOUSLY THE VIC-20 WAS ONLY BEING SOLD IN LIMITED QUANTITIES IN THE U S PURSUANT TO AN FCC WAIVER.'
GOULD FURTHER NOTED THAT 'NOW THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FCC CERTIFICATION FOR THE VIC-20 WHERE UP UNTIL NOW WE HAD ONLY BEEN MANUFACTURING IT AT THE RATE OF APPROXIMATELY 8 000 UNITS MONTHLY IN JAPAN THIS PRODUCTION RATE WILL BE INCREASED TO AT LEAST 20 000 UNITS MONTHLY WITHIN 60 DAYS THE ADDED PRODUCTION COMING FROM OUR MANUFACTURING FACILITIES IN SANTA CLARA CALIF. AND BRAUNSCHWEIG WEST GERMANY.'
GOULD SAID HE EXPECTED THE VIC-20 PRODUCTION RATE TO EXCEED 20 000 UNITS PER MONTH.
Copyright (c) 1981, Dow Jones & Co., Inc.
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Commodore Intl Gets FCC Okay to Manufacture New Computer
Dow Jones News Service
August 5, 1981
NY - IRVING GOULD CHAIRMAN OF COMMODORE INTERNATIONAL LTD SAID COMMODORE HAD BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE FCC THAT ITS VIC-20 PERSONAL COMPUTER MEETS THE RADIATION EMISSION REQUIREMENTS OF PART 15 OF THE FCC RULE FOR CLASS B PERSONAL COMPUTERS AND IS NOW CERTIFIED.
ACCORDING TO GOULD 'THIS FCC CERTIFICATION MEANS THAT THE VIC-20 IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR MANUFACTURE AND SALE IN THE U.S. WHERE PREVIOUSLY THE VIC-20 WAS ONLY BEING SOLD IN LIMITED QUANTITIES IN THE U S PURSUANT TO AN FCC WAIVER.'
GOULD FURTHER NOTED THAT 'NOW THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FCC CERTIFICATION FOR THE VIC-20 WHERE UP UNTIL NOW WE HAD ONLY BEEN MANUFACTURING IT AT THE RATE OF APPROXIMATELY 8 000 UNITS MONTHLY IN JAPAN THIS PRODUCTION RATE WILL BE INCREASED TO AT LEAST 20 000 UNITS MONTHLY WITHIN 60 DAYS THE ADDED PRODUCTION COMING FROM OUR MANUFACTURING FACILITIES IN SANTA CLARA CALIF. AND BRAUNSCHWEIG WEST GERMANY.'
GOULD SAID HE EXPECTED THE VIC-20 PRODUCTION RATE TO EXCEED 20 000 UNITS PER MONTH.
Copyright (c) 1981, Dow Jones & Co., Inc.
Re: PET keys?
I think these PET key VIC-20s with the FCC warning were among the first batch(es) in sold in North America. I think all PET key VIC-20s were manufactured in Japan (from what I've seen)...I have one like this with the FCC warning label.
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Re: PET keys?
This is quite interesting, my VIC has a much lower serial #, but the badge says Made in USA and it doesn't have the FCC notice sticker.
Perhaps each Commodore manufacturing center used their own sequence of serial numbers, so that (for example) 500,000 Japan comes before 65,000 USA?
Perhaps each Commodore manufacturing center used their own sequence of serial numbers, so that (for example) 500,000 Japan comes before 65,000 USA?
Re: PET keys?
Yea, it looks like all japanese manufactured vic-20 starts with "5":
http://www.vic20.de/Nummern.pdf
My link in the previous post also show that number 505599 was produced in 4-81, so it looks like I have one from early 1981.
It also sounds like Goulds statement of 8000 per month was a slight modification of the truth.
http://www.vic20.de/Nummern.pdf
My link in the previous post also show that number 505599 was produced in 4-81, so it looks like I have one from early 1981.
It also sounds like Goulds statement of 8000 per month was a slight modification of the truth.
Re: PET keys?
I finally got it home to Norway and my early Vic-20 works nicely on my 1084, although the NTSC picture is a little weak in colors and has some wavy edge (I barely notice it). The keyboard isn't very responsive though, so I have to find out if its purely a mechanical problem or something else.
Once I opened it up I could see that it was made 3/81, quite early! Wonder who were allowed to buy one at that time..
Edit: I found this prereview in Compute! Issue 011 from April 1981. Apparently only a selected few got to buy these early machines (or they were stocking up).
The soldering is a really poor job with some chips barely hanging to the PCB. The main chips are all socketed and marked "MOS". The PCB is marked as 09357 (sticker) with PN0 10010016 Rev.E etched into it. Wonder why its higher than the 5xxxxx serial, maybe they just continued on the Vic-1001 PCB numbers?
Some early Vic stats I have found:
Once I opened it up I could see that it was made 3/81, quite early! Wonder who were allowed to buy one at that time..
Edit: I found this prereview in Compute! Issue 011 from April 1981. Apparently only a selected few got to buy these early machines (or they were stocking up).
The soldering is a really poor job with some chips barely hanging to the PCB. The main chips are all socketed and marked "MOS". The PCB is marked as 09357 (sticker) with PN0 10010016 Rev.E etched into it. Wonder why its higher than the 5xxxxx serial, maybe they just continued on the Vic-1001 PCB numbers?
Some early Vic stats I have found:
- Serial 101516, Pcb 1558, manufactured 1980, Made in Japan, PET keyboard, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, a Vic-1001 with Rev C PCB
Serial 504543, Pcb 9357, manufactured 3/81, Made in Japan, PET keyboard, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, FCC Waiver (the one shown here)
Serial 50xxxx, Pcb 13254, manufactured 4/81, Made in Japan, PET keyboard, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, FCC Waiver (vecchiocomputer.com)
Serial 505599, Pcb 13581, manufactured 4/81, Made in Japan, PET keyboard, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, Probably FCC Waiver (vic20.de)
Serial 50xxxx, Pcb N.A. , manufactured before 7/81, Made in Japan, PET keyboard, 2-pin 9V EU, PAL , Same heatsink as 505599 (vic20.de)
Serial 515986, Pcb N.A. , manufactured 7/81, Made in Japan, PET keyboard, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, Larger internal heatsink version (vic20.de)
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Re: PET keys?
The font on the SHIFT key confirms this is a PET style keyboard.Kakemoms wrote:I was searching eBay for a NTSC machine and just bought this.
It looks like the keys are wider, but I am not sure wether its an original Vic-20 with PET keyboard or not. Anyone knows how to check that?
If you remove the keyboard from the computer, there will be hidden holes on the topside of the keyboard frame covered with electrical tape.
See close to the function keys here:
http://www.nightfallcrew.com/wp-content ... G_0256.jpg
Wrong, mine was made in USA. The difference inside is obvious. Japan made VIC-20s have the VIAs and many other chips oriented left to right. (like kakemons pic)ral-clan wrote: I think all PET key VIC-20s were manufactured in Japan
In the US made ones, the same chips are oriented back-front.
Like this:
http://www.mainbyte.com/vic20/vic20_mb.jpg
@kakemons
My own VIC-20 is made in the US and the serial number is V007829 so I gues this makes it a very early machine. The 6560 inside is dated 2281 that's in early summer 1981!!
Be normal.
Re: PET keys?
Interesting! I wonder wheter they started making them in the US before August 1981 (and stocking up).eslapion wrote: @kakemons
My own VIC-20 is made in the US and the serial number is V007829 so I gues this makes it a very early machine. The 6560 inside is dated 2281 that's in early summer 1981!!
I also had another look inside my early machine and the 6502 is dated 1180, the 6560-101 is dated 4480 and both 6522 are dated 4480.
Some chips are also dated in 81 with one 901486-06 dated 1781 (the other is 901486-01 dated 5280), the 901480-03 dated 0981.
There are also some smaller chips with MOS marking named 65246 and dated 0681 (no idea what these are).
Re: PET keys?
I'm beginning the restoration of a PET-keyed VIC-20 made in Japan with the serial number of 515188. The 6560 says 4780, but what really gives away the date of the machine is a silver sticker on the inner metal cage that says, "PRODUCED IN 7/81".eslapion wrote:My own VIC-20 is made in the US and the serial number is V007829 so I gues this makes it a very early machine. The 6560 inside is dated 2281 that's in early summer 1981!!
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
Re: PET keys?
Ok I updated the list a little. If you have more info, please let me know. The Vic20.de pages also list BASIC, KERNAL and CHAR dates which would be nice to have.
Note that PCB number is often beneath the heatsink if you have a large heatsink version.
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Serial 101516, Pcb 1558, manuf 1980, 6560-date:xxxx, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, a Vic-1001 with Rev C PCB
Serial 504543, Pcb 9357, manuf 3/81, 6560-date:4480, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, FCC Waiver (kakemoms)
Serial 5052xx, Pcb 13254, manuf 4/81, 6560-date:xxxx, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, FCC Waiver (oldcomputr.com)
Serial 505599, Pcb 13581, manuf 4/81, 6560-date:4680, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, (FCC Waiver) (vic20.de)
Serial 50xxxx, Pcb N.A. , manuf ?/81, 6560-date:xxxx, Made in Japan, PET, 2-p 9V EU, PAL , Small heatsink, Metal cardboard (vic20.de)
Serial 513738, Pcb N.A. , manuf ?/81, 6560-date:xxxx, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, FCC Waiver, Vic1020 & Numeric keypad (rmelick)
Serial 515188, Pcb N.A. , manuf 7/81, 6560-date:4780, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, (RobertBe)
Serial 515986, Pcb N.A. , manuf 7/81, 6560-date:xxxx, Made in Japan, PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, Larger heatsink (vic20.de)
Serial V007829, Pcb N.A. , manuf 1981, 6560-date:2281, Made in USA , PET, 2-pin 9V, NTSC, USA PCB (eslapion)