HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
The original problem is that the "game machine" producers had chosen a cheap (good, but not perfect) compromise to connect the cartridges,
a balanced chosen that show its limits.....
For example look the pics:
it's an electronic magazine (1981) that proposed a DIY kit of a 1000 games machine, it use a ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) socket....
I remember that the price of this kind of socket was abstronomic....
EDIT:
The KIT price is evaluable around 450€, each cart around 50€, chipset: Signetics 2650, 2636
a balanced chosen that show its limits.....
For example look the pics:
it's an electronic magazine (1981) that proposed a DIY kit of a 1000 games machine, it use a ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) socket....
I remember that the price of this kind of socket was abstronomic....
EDIT:
The KIT price is evaluable around 450€, each cart around 50€, chipset: Signetics 2650, 2636
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
I think the VIC-20cr's cart port connector is going to be among the first to have problems because of the tin plating. IMHO, the fact it is tin plated does not make it better suited to HASL boards; HASL is a softer material than pure tin.norm8332 wrote:Apparently because of the large size of the pins/fingers It appears that even with extensive wear, the contact between the board and connector is enough to function properly. A percentage of the VICs out there most likely have wear on the connector, but as seen in the above first two pictures of the gold contacts some do not. Maybe because of limited cartridge use. I think as a result of this thread we could try to minimize further damage going forward.
Some people think that this is a trivial thing. And in some ways they are correct. But others like to know these things and want to develop best practices to possibly extend the longevity of the VIC-20 and try to contribute to the community. Plus I personally enjoy this stuff.
I managed to wear through one of my TRW connectors which is gold plated but I have to be honest and admit I did a huge number of crazy stuff with it.
I am very much interested in Thomas's FR-4/resin combo boards and I'd be thrilled to be able to have that for my next batch of Behr-Bonz or other VIC cart...
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
That would be best IMO. But for low cost I think non-beveled is also an option for me for now at least.eslapion wrote:I am very much interested in Thomas's FR-4/resin combo boards and I'd be thrilled to be able to have that for my next batch of Behr-Bonz or other VIC cart...
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
My expansion port 'condom' from eslapion arrived at lunchtime today.
Works a treat. Need to find a way to tether it to the Vic (nuts and bolts?) as it sits inside thus making it difficult to just remove any cart attached to it!
Many thanks Francois.
Works a treat. Need to find a way to tether it to the Vic (nuts and bolts?) as it sits inside thus making it difficult to just remove any cart attached to it!
Many thanks Francois.
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
I'm glad you like it! Spread the word!vicist wrote:Many thanks Francois.
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
BTW, I noted the plating on the VIC-20cr connector is pure tin. That's not the same at all as HASL which is an alloy of different metals to make it's fusion point lower and make it softer.norm8332 wrote:That would be best IMO. But for low cost I think non-beveled is also an option for me for now at least.
My point remains; using HASL for the edge connector of a cartridge you sell and know will be used often is irresponsible.
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
I would like to have one for my V2K project.
No point making my own if you have these available.
Can you post a photo?
I have some space constraints.
Thanks,
Brad
No point making my own if you have these available.
Can you post a photo?
I have some space constraints.
Thanks,
Brad
eslapion wrote:I'm glad you like it! Spread the word!vicist wrote:Many thanks Francois.
Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
I'd hope it's not pure tin or there could be "whisker" problems. maybe I should take another look at higher magnification.eslapion wrote:BTW, I noted the plating on the VIC-20cr connector is pure tin. That's not the same at all as HASL which is an alloy of different metals to make it's fusion point lower and make it softer.
My point remains; using HASL for the edge connector of a cartridge you sell and know will be used often is irresponsible.
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
Picture is already posted earlier in this thread here...
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
Ok thanks.
there is certainly no issue with space constraints on that design. Nice work.
One question though,
How do you stop the entire unit from pulling out when removing a cart?
It would seem that it may be a 50-50 chance of either end coming out (cart or VIC).
Some type of mechanical connection inside the VIC would be required if so.
Brad
there is certainly no issue with space constraints on that design. Nice work.
One question though,
How do you stop the entire unit from pulling out when removing a cart?
It would seem that it may be a 50-50 chance of either end coming out (cart or VIC).
Some type of mechanical connection inside the VIC would be required if so.
Brad
vicist wrote:Picture is already posted earlier in this thread here...
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Re: HASL for cartridges? (split/OT from: Cheese & Onion)
Bolt the eyelets!Radical Brad wrote:How do you stop the entire unit from pulling out when removing a cart?
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