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Would this be a better bet?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RS232-TTL-to- ... 3a965f208c

BTW, this is the same device operating directly with a TTL level serial port.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Piece-USR-TCP ... 3cf801f072

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@beamrider:
Same thing as what I just found.

thanks, just ordered...

eslapion wrote:It appears to have been designed with Atmel and Microchip Pic processors in mind.

It got started on the C64 with the Contiki OS. Contiki got a GUI and it still works on the C64. It comes with a web browser. Perhaps Contikit can be ported to the VIC as well if there's enough memory.

beamrider wrote:thanks, just ordered...

Ditto and the first descriped card too hurrah now we'll soone be online making the BBS insecure

From what I can see, there are only two ways to configure the device (and set the destination IP), either over ethernet using a PC or with the CFG pin pulled low and the unit in "Configure" mode (which mandates 9600 baud). Both of these methods won't work with the Vic-20 so it would be necessary to configure the unit on a PC to set the desination IP address at least before each and every use.

Although I belive there is feasablility in the Vic sending @ 9600 using half duplex and using custom routines (i.e. not using the kernal) ..anyone know more about this?

There are all kinds of these devices coming out lately (which is cool). Even Wi-Fi versions. I hooked one up to my C64, worked fine.

For 9600 baud, on the C64 I thought you needed special hardware? Same limitation would exist on the VIC, I think. Here's some info:

http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/ ... t-9600.zip

tlr's tinyrs does 38k...

I compiled the newest Contiki webbrowser for the C64 in VICE and it still works. It's 39K of size (including the OS). That would be the proof that uIP still does the job. Some cc65 wizard could port the browser to the VIC.

Browsing modern web sites on a 22 column display would be a good test of how "responsive" the site is..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

beamrider wrote:Browsing modern web sites on a 22 column display would be a good test of how "responsive" a the site is..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

Hmm… stretch the screen to 27 columns, bitmap a 4x8 pixel font and see how responsive your VIC is.

I'm anyway wondering why people still 'insist' on the VIC-20 only being capable of doing 22 columns, despite quite a lot of examples showing otherwise, ...

pixel wrote:Hmm… stretch the screen to 27 columns, bitmap a 4x8 pixel font and see how responsive your VIC is.

... and when it comes to responsiveness, I wouldn't see any problems. The routines in MG Browse (see here, and there are quite some other use cases to be found elsewhere here in Denial) are definitely up to the job doing a 'soft' 40 column display with 24 lines, in ASCII.

But increasing the display width for 54 characters (with 4 pixel wide glyphs) in a line will reduce the displayable lines down to 16. Probably not what you want (and most NTSC users won't be able to use such a wide display, so there...).

I guess this is where an 80 column display card comes handy.

Personally, I'm more interested in the programming oppotunities afforded by such a device.

I was thinking that "on-line" elements could be added to new or existing games, but without the ability to easily select a destination IP/port (that doesn't invovle manually grounding pins or using another computer) the device is really limited to hard-core experimenters.

beamrider wrote:Personally, I'm more interested in the programming oppotunities afforded by such a device.

I was thinking that "on-line" elements could be added to new or existing games, but without the ability to easily select a destination IP/port (that doesn't invovle manually grounding pins or using another computer) the device is really limited to hard-core experimenters.

My device (the first rs232 model) arrived today, will do some measure and test this weekend. No attachment to the user port yet has ordered a converter 232 to TTL level convert and edge connectors. These has not arrived yet.