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Should these tapes be archived?

Postby norm8332 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:47 pm

A user on Atari Age is asking this question here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/274023-do-these-vic-20-tapes-need-to-be-digitized/ if you want them archived please let him know or let me know and I will post a response.

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby orion70 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:50 pm

Pics for subscribers only. Can you please post them?

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby eslapion » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:07 pm

orion70 wrote:Pics for subscribers only. Can you please post them?

I tried... Atariage seems to protect their pictures and prevents you from saving them!!

I recognized a bunch of software from Abacus Software.

Names include:
Graphvics
Tiny basic compiler (this one really gets me salivating!)
Piper - The music machine
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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby norm8332 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:57 pm

orion70 wrote:Pics for subscribers only. Can you please post them?


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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby orion70 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:26 am

Some are doubles, some marked with "bad load". All of them seem to be utilities, which makes me even more curious :) .

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby Mayhem » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:50 am

eslapion wrote:I tried... Atariage seems to protect their pictures and prevents you from saving them!!

AA has an upload feature, I guess it's a way to try to claw some bandwidth downwards from third party linking etc.
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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby eslapion » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:51 am

orion70 wrote:Some are doubles, some marked with "bad load". All of them seem to be utilities, which makes me even more curious :) .

The original poster in AtariAge specified we should disregard the 'bad load' stickers. Apparently somebody tried to load them on Atari computers.

savetz wrote:I wouldn't worry about the "bad load" labels. I think someone at some point was trying to load these on an Atari system.
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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby orion70 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:19 am

I'd very much like to have them saved for posterity! Even a good WAV of each title would suffice if the OP cannot dump them - we could do the rest.

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby norm8332 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:23 pm

The tapes referenced above have been captured to .wav files. I converted them to .tap and they are attached. Note: I haven't tested them yet but the conversions did contain files. I will test them later, or someone can let me know if they work. The WAVs are also available at the link above on Atari Age. They are a bit large to attach.

EDIT: I'm having issues converting them. I think the level is low. I will continue and post when ready.

I think they are not good recordings...or I don't know what I'm doing..Someone else want to give it a try?
Attachments
Noble Computers - Spelling Practise.zip
(15.94 MiB) Downloaded 6 times
Abacus Software - Graphvics.zip
(27.19 MiB) Downloaded 5 times
Ababus Software - Piper the Music Machine.zip
(27.44 MiB) Downloaded 5 times
Ababus Software - Budgeteer.zip
(34.47 MiB) Downloaded 5 times
Ababus Software - Budgeteer - copy 2.zip
(34.66 MiB) Downloaded 5 times
Ababus Software - Tiny BASIC Compiler.wav.zip
(49.6 MiB) Downloaded 7 times

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby norm8332 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:34 am

I was able to recover the basic compiler and spelling program using Audacity to improve the signal. It's attached.
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Noble Computers - Spelling Practise_TAP.zip
(37.46 KiB) Downloaded 5 times
Ababus Software - Tiny BASIC Compiler_TAP.zip
(135.56 KiB) Downloaded 7 times

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby eslapion » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:10 am

norm8332 wrote:I was able to recover the basic compiler and spelling program using Audacity to improve the signal. It's attached.

Looks like we are no longer limited to Austro Compiler !! Excellent news!
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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby norm8332 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:57 am

The other tapes appear to be too poor quality at least for me to extract any working programs. I realize the files are quite large..I guess after people have attempted to recover them they could be removed if that is an issue. I couldn't figure out how to use the compiler in the brief time I tried (not my thing). Does it work?

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby vicist » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:05 am

Apparently, this only compiles mathematical programs, like the sample provided within the program. It won't compile full basic programs.

A description of the compiler can be found here

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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby eslapion » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:39 am

vicist wrote:Apparently, this only compiles mathematical programs, like the sample provided within the program. It won't compile full basic programs.

A description of the compiler can be found here

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Very tiny compiler indeed...
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Re: Should these tapes be archived?

Postby Kweepa » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:37 am

The article seems very lenient on a $25 product!
It doesn't even support PEEK or POKE, which would make it just about practical. As it is, it seems like a toy.

I think it would be fun to write a modern CBM basic compiler.
Some thoughts I had:
- default the variables to float
- use a separate hints file to tell the compiler the variable types (byte, word, long, float)
- run the basic program in a special emulator that monitors the variables and deduces the variable types
- detect certain code patterns and replace with cheap alternatives (eg empty for-next for delays; keyboard and joystick routines; reading data and poking to memory, or filling an array)


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