FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

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FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby MCes » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:21 am

VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!
Every VIC 20 expandable memory areas can be covered (also the I/Os areas), and BLK 5 can also be write protected!

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Dip-switch:

1.) 8K= BLK1: $2000-$3FFF (8192-16383)
2.) 8K= BLK2: $4000-$5FFF (16384-24575)
3.) 8K= BLK3: $6000-$7FFF (24576-32767)
4.) ON= BLK5 write protected
5.) 8K= BLK5: $A000-$BFFF (40960-49151)
6.) 3K= RAM1,2,3: $0400-$0FFF (1024-4095)
7.) 2K= I/O2,3: $9800-$9FFF (38912-40959)
8.) ON= enable expansion cartridge

Total of +37K of RAM for your VIC20!

NOTE:
The 2K IOs area is important because is unusual, the perfect place for a speedloader like "RABBIT" for tape: http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/ ... s38912.prg or for software-kernal simil-jiffydos: http://www.tokra.de/vic/2kexpansion/sjload$98.prg

7 pieces:
1 sold to vicist
1 sold to HouseOfPain
1 sold locally
4 pieces available

29€ (it was 33€)
+shipment, via PayPal gift
(On sale elsewhere too)

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby vicist » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:33 pm

I so want one of these!!!

PM sent :D

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby mrr19121970 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:47 am

Is it HASL or ENIG ?

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby vicist » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:36 pm

Payment sent.

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby MCes » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:16 pm

mrr19121970 wrote:Is it HASL or ENIG ?


It's HASL
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby mrr19121970 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:22 pm

This is a shame. Next batch should be ENIG.

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby MCes » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:17 am

vicist wrote:Payment sent.


Payment received,
+37K REU shipped!
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby HouseOfPain » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:14 am

One for me...plz send me your PayPal Adress via PM.

BR HoP

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby eslapion » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:53 am

MCes wrote:
mrr19121970 wrote:Is it HASL or ENIG ?


It's HASL

HASL can damage a VIC-20's cartridge port connector in the long run...

Behr-Bonz doesn't even use ENIG, it has hard gold plating.
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby MCes » Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:31 am

Yes, I know: Gold is better than Tin,
but.....
eslapion wrote:HASL can damage a VIC-20's cartridge port connector in the long run...

never heard before....
the worst case after years could be the eventual oxidation of cart fingers,
but (oxide) Tin is soft respect to the contact metal into VIC20 connector, the oxide should be scratched by the connector contact during the insertion.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2645/4148466780_480dd4d889_b.jpg
Eventually the very worst case could be a not-contact, but this won't damage the VIC20 and the solution is easy: use a pencil rubber on pcb finghers to eliminate oxide and then you will have years of contacts working!

eslapion wrote:HASL can damage a VIC-20's cartridge port connector in the long run...
Behr-Bonz doesn't even use ENIG, it has hard gold plating.

I saw that a lot of your Behr-Bonz cart was produced with HASL
https://www.google.it/search?q=ber+ronz&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ3OfIuPnUAhXMXRQKHSftBr0Q_AUIDCgD&biw=1280&bih=867#tbm=isch&q=Behr-Bonz

never heard before that cartridges like as HASL-Behr-Bonz damage the VIC20 connector, but your words induce me to think that your big production had exposed you to the protests of people that had own VIC20 damaged by your cartridge, so I ask you, for direct experience:
how many people that get your HASL-Behr-Bonz (percentage) had the VIC20 damaged by it?
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby eslapion » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:01 am

MCes wrote:I saw that a lot of your Behr-Bonz cart was produced with HASL

NEVER!! :shock:

Somebody CLONED the Behr-Bonz around 2011 and these clones are easy to distinguish because they do not have the hole for the case screw in the center and they have red PCBs.

Please do NOT attribute to me what somebody else did.

The very first 2 prototypes of the Behr-Bonz do not have gold plating and that's ALL!

...your words induce me to think that your big production had exposed you to the protests of people that had own VIC20 damaged by your cartridge, so I ask you, for direct experience:
how many people that get your HASL-Behr-Bonz (percentage) had the VIC20 damaged by it?

I can't know because, except for the 2 prototypes which were expressly provide as such, I NEVER sold any VIC-20 cartridges which do not have gold plating.

That is one of the prototypes:
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Notice the white sticker and the typefaces used on it.

Added edit:
Thomas Lovskog was charged with the production of all Behr-Bonz boards since may 2015 and he delivered to me excellent quality boards with the same gold plating grade you can find on expensive Vector 3677 and 3677-2 prototyping boards. They sell for about 40$US on Digikey.

Between 2006 and 2008 I also sold the Ultimate Expander cartridges and they too all had gold plating on the edge connector.
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby vicist » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:50 am

Arrived today at lunchtime.

Tried it out and all configurations work as expected.
Even had a quick game of DOOM just to make sure all 35k are accessible. :D

Not worried about whether it's HASL or ENIG - the thing will just stay plugged in the back.
I now have 1 Vic with full ram configs with SD2IEC for programming and playing Denial member's games, and 1 vic with a behr-bonz for playing all those great cart games.

Just have to work out how to get sjload$98 to work in the I/O area now to be fully geared up. Anyone?
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby vicist » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:43 am

OK. Sussed it out.

1. Enable I/O (switch 7 down)
2. Load "sjload$98",8,1
3. Press reset - If you try to load anything without doing this, you will get 'out of memory' error.
4. SYS 38912

Anything you load from SD2IEC will now be accelerated. I loaded DOOM and the splash screen came up immediately. After that disappeared, I was ready to play the game in about 5 seconds!!! :shock:

When you are ready to do something else, just repeat steps 3 and 4 and all disk activity is turbo'ed.
This really is a great little card. :D

Thanks MCes.

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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby MCes » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:06 am

vicist wrote:This really is a great little card. :D
Thanks MCes.


Thanks Vicist,
I'm happy for your enthusiasm in discovering the potentiality of your "new" VIC20 system...
If I remember well the RAM into i/o areas is (now) out of VICE possibilityes.... the real world win!

Try the attached file, it should be the SJLoad $98 modified to be started by "SYS40000", an more mnemonic address....

NOTE: this file is wrong, see two post after...

SJL98-SYS40000.zip
SJL 07 $9800 SYS40000
(1.27 KiB) Downloaded 5 times
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Re: FOR SALE: VIC20 FULL-RAM expansion cartridge +37K RAM with RESET!

Postby tokra » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:56 am

Your binary does not work with SYS4000 (it still loads to $9800). However, I compiled a version to $9c40 a while back to be found here:

http://www.tokra.de/vic/2kexpansion/sjload$9c40-s.prg

This is most likely the same reduced version that is also on the MegaCart. When compiling SJLOAD you can turn off features like support for SAVE or printing the load-address. This makes it small enought to fit it from $9c40-$9fff.

Also, you do not need to reset after loading, a simple "NEW" will do.

VICE supports the IO2 and IO3-RAM areas for some time now. However you need go to "Settings-Cartridge/IO-setting-Enable I/O-2 RAM" (or I/O-3 RAM).


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