I have beautiful 1983 VIC20cr here with the original purchase receipt from 10-Dec-1983 (Boots the Chemist, Chelmsford, UK), bought from the original owner. It has a Eurostile keyboard and the case is as yellow as a canary. The mainboard is spotless. However, it doesn't work.
When I turn it on the screen is yellow, there is a high pitched tone. Pressing the reset, the tone becomes abit deeper. The diagnosis cart won't start, but after a few resets Avengers will finally kick in. I think the colours might be abit off, and the sounds are not quite right (there is no firing sound, but there is a explosion sound).
All chips are soldered in. Anyone seen this before? I am thinking VIC-I for sure is done.
Yellow Screen
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Re: Yellow Screen
https://youtu.be/2AqdkDnEIQ4
After many resets I finally got the test cart to appear on the right place on the screen and without scrambled chars.
Seems there is no issue ??? Rofl
After many resets I finally got the test cart to appear on the right place on the screen and without scrambled chars.
Seems there is no issue ??? Rofl
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Re: Yellow Screen
No tips on what causes the screen to be yellow and the high pitched tone sound?
Adding an expansion rom and loads of resets I can get to a screen full of garbage characters which after each reset changes position. Sometimes I even get a black screen with yellow border and text and can type in a small basic program that runs. Sometimes I have even managed to get a white screen with cyan border too.
This weekend i will start desoldering and testing chips. Based on my limited experiences. I will start with the VIAs, RAMs and maybe logic chips.
I am still suffering from the Chinese new year backlog with limited supplies of sockets.
UPDATE
I have also asked for help on a German forum, here they have told me 100% is is the electrolyte capacitors (but not mentioned which one). Mike has the following to say on the matter:
Adding an expansion rom and loads of resets I can get to a screen full of garbage characters which after each reset changes position. Sometimes I even get a black screen with yellow border and text and can type in a small basic program that runs. Sometimes I have even managed to get a white screen with cyan border too.
This weekend i will start desoldering and testing chips. Based on my limited experiences. I will start with the VIAs, RAMs and maybe logic chips.
I am still suffering from the Chinese new year backlog with limited supplies of sockets.
UPDATE
I have also asked for help on a German forum, here they have told me 100% is is the electrolyte capacitors (but not mentioned which one). Mike has the following to say on the matter:
Mike wrote:However, before you begin with the replacement of all Elkos, you should know whether it is really necessary.
I suppose you have a multimeter at hand. With this, you can not only measure if the voltage at the +5V rails is within the allowed range (+4.8 V .. +5.2 V) but you can only measure the ripple of the same voltage by setting the multimeter to VAC and putting the probes at the +5V rail, and also at the supply pins of all ICs (be cautious not to short anything!). If that ripple exceeds, say, 0.1 V, then this would be no good.
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Re: Yellow Screen
Seems to be the VIC-I putting the chip in a known working machine I was able to recreate this weird behaviour.
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Well done for seemingly sorting this out all by yourself.
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Re: Yellow Screen
As @ken says "anyone can fix a VIC20" this is #6 now
What I'd like to understand deeper is the "why". With memory expansion and a few resets the VIC-I works. I don't know anything about the internals of the chip, but on a logic point of view I'd say the ability to address the smaller address spaces is damaged. I don't suppose it can be repaired, but I might keep it as a backup (instead of casting in resin).
I bought a new VIC-I (NOS) for 20.49gbp posted. More than the complete in box VIC-20 itself.
http://www.mutant-caterpillar.co.uk/sho ... ts_id=3689
What I'd like to understand deeper is the "why". With memory expansion and a few resets the VIC-I works. I don't know anything about the internals of the chip, but on a logic point of view I'd say the ability to address the smaller address spaces is damaged. I don't suppose it can be repaired, but I might keep it as a backup (instead of casting in resin).
I bought a new VIC-I (NOS) for 20.49gbp posted. More than the complete in box VIC-20 itself.
http://www.mutant-caterpillar.co.uk/sho ... ts_id=3689
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Re: Yellow Screen
So 6561 arrived this week. It's raining so why not a vic day ?? Popped it in. Works. Man s-video is needed here.....
As you can see the plug and play cable is also backwards compatible.
As you can see the plug and play cable is also backwards compatible.